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From [e-mail] Thu Jun 17 18:20:08 1993
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Subject: Re:      EVOL for a new Sonik Youther
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1993 12:21:11 -0400
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Anonymous writes "I'll be damned if ...it wasn't a religious experience [when Thurston milked the pause in Expressway to Yr Skull]."

Yes yes yes.  That pause *always* moves me.

A general question:  What other "great pauses
" are there in music?  Either rock, punk or classical.

jk, tucson


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From: [e-mail] (Chip Hart)
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Subject: Re:      EVOL for a new Sonik Youther (fwd)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1993 13:38:18 -0400
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>Anonymous writes "I'll be damned if ...it wasn't a religious experience
>[when Thurston milked the pause in Expressway to Yr Skull]."
Then,jk:
> Yes yes yes.  That pause *always* moves me.

    Ditto.  I thought that moment was the highlight of their show [yo
    volk!] last spring.

> A general question:  What other "great pauses
> " are there in music?  Either rock, punk or classical.

    Zillions.  Bach - Toccata and Fugue in Dm [The Phantom of the
    Opera organ tune].  Depending on the interpretation, there are
    dozens of pauses.

    My fave rock pause probably appears on the Hendrix "Radio
    One" CD that came out on Ryko a few years back.  On "Killing
    Floor", Jimi stops playing guitar for a few bars right
    after the solo and it kills me every time.  It's one thing
    to know when to play...another thing entirely to know when
    NOT to play.  When he decides to come back in, it's heaven.

    Then, of course, there's Slayer :-)

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From [e-mail] Thu Jun 17 21:07:15 1993
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From: Derek Hall <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re:      EVOL for a new Sonik Youther (fwd)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1993 15:06:07 -0400
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Sorry- wrong subject heading- but what was that bit from "Secret Girls" off
Evol about "You're the boy/the can of joy..."  I always thought that it was
"You're the boy/that can enjoy/invisibility..." I haven't seen anyone else
comment on this- what is the Net wisdom?

As for pauses in music, to keep to SY examples, the break in between
"Intro" and "Brave Men Run" is pretty good too.


From [e-mail] Thu Jun 17 21:57:23 1993
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>Sorry- wrong subject heading- but what was that bit from "Secret Girls" off
>Evol about "You're the boy/the can of joy..."  I always thought that it was
>"You're the boy/that can enjoy/invisibility..." I haven't seen anyone else
>comment on this- what is the Net wisdom?

"I'm the boy, who can enjoy, invisibility" which is etched on at least one
SY release, two if memory servers, and which is a line lifted from James
Joyce's _Portrait of an Artist as a Young Sonic_.

>As for pauses in music, to keep to SY examples, the break in between
>"Intro" and "Brave Men Run" is pretty good too.

Definitely.  The Expressway break at the July 4th show was really long, but
not too long, just long enough.  Whoosh.  I saw god as well.

Trying to pay more attention to the list,
Rob V.


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From: [e-mail] (Soniq)
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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1993 16:13:01 -0400
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JONATHAN KANDELL <[e-mail]> writes:

> Yes yes yes.  That pause *always* moves me.
>
> A general question:  What other "great pauses
> " are there in music?  Either rock, punk or classical.

Right off the toppa my head The Who's My Generation is fulla pauses.



From [e-mail] Thu Jun 17 22:29:22 1993
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From: Fred Francis <[e-mail]>
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Subject:      the next link in the chain
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1993 16:30:25 -0400
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I've just recently hooked up with this list and
so will present my meager SY credentials in hopes
of getting some advice.

I have only 4 releases by Sonic Youth, 2 of which
seem to be the most disdained here (_Goo_ and _Dirty_,
did I really have to specify?). Also I have _Evol_
and _Daydream Nation_, and agree that they are works
of high art. But where do I go from here? Everyone has
their faves, and I will, from within the confines of
my lowly financial niche, eventually get to them all.
But what's the next acquisition?

-=el phred=-


From [e-mail] Thu Jun 17 22:39:22 1993
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Subject: Re:      EVOL for a new Sonik Youther (fwd)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1993 16:40:21 -0400
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Derek Hall writes that he thinks "You're the boy/the can of joy" should
be "you're the boy that can enjoy".  I got my lyrics off of the lp
lyric sheet; I'll double check them tonight.


From [e-mail] Fri Jun 18 00:59:00 1993
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Some great pauses that I love in Classical music
are scattered throughout the 10 Mahler Symphonies.

The best few are
1. Halfway through the last movement of the 1st symophony
2. Halfway through the last movement of the 2nd symphony

If you like classical at all and have never listend to
Mahler, I would reccomend him to all...he is truly the
master.

I would rank him right up there with Sonic Youth :)

--
The world is a big watermelon
Jump right in and spit out the seeds

meb6                     Mason Jar


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The gospel according to Mike:


>... The best SY song is the one I'm
> listening to at a given moment ...
>
>
actually, my favorites are

I Dreamed I Dream
Death to our Friends
Titanium Expose

selah,

Dan


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Subject: Action Swingers
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Hi, I'm new at this so be easy on me please.

I have heard of a group called "Action Swingers" that apparently contain some
ex-members of SY, has anyone heard of them, are they any good ?

Thanks in advance
Dean T. Pribetic

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Subject: St. Mary's Place
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Hi folks,

I picked up a German pressing of a SY CD called "Anarchy at St. Mary's Place."
Does anyone know anything about it? It's got early stuff on it like
"Expressway to yr skull", "Kill yr Idols", "Brave men run".

This is my first post to sonic-life-l, although I've been lurking for
ages. I have now joined the fray...

Simon.
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Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1993 05:42:26 -0400
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>Sorry- wrong subject heading- but what was that bit from "Secret Girls" off
>Evol about "You're the boy/the can of joy..."  I always thought that it was
>"You're the boy/that can enjoy/invisibility..." I haven't seen anyone else
>comment on this- what is the Net wisdom?

It _is_ (I think)

'you're the boy that can enjoy invisibility'

And if I'm not mistaken, it is actually a quotation of someone, not sure who
though... Was this text not in the inlay of the CD? Here is the complete text
I think :

Secret Girls
------ -----

My mother used to say
'you're the boy that can enjoy invisibility'
i'm the boy that can enjoy invisibility
close your eyes make a wish
cross yourself
see yourself
feel yourself
scream once more
move yourself
across the floor
burn inside
between two walls
the advertisements say
that pleasure's ever lasting
come touch me
the advertisements say
that pleasure's ever lasting
must be dead and gone to heaven
come and touch me here
so i know
that i'm
not there

There you go...

Hans


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-=el fred=- (funny name that..) wants to know which album to buy after
Goo, Dirty, Evol and DDN.. I'd say _Confusion Is Sex_ because I like it.. but other people say Bad Moon Rising (This last bit is typed by a freak sitting next to
me, but he may be right...)

Hans, always eager to give useless commentry.


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>I have heard of a group called "Action Swingers" that apparently contain some
>ex-members of SY, has anyone heard of them, are they any good ?

Do they happen to have a lot of percussion? What are their names, Richard Edson,
Jim Sclavunos and Bob Bert? Sorry 'bout this..

Hans


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Subject: Re:      EVOL for a new Sonik Youther
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1993 08:05:09 -0400
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> Anonymous writes "I'll be damned if ...it wasn't a religious experience
> [when Thurston milked the pause in Expressway to Yr Skull]."
>
> Yes yes yes.  That pause *always* moves me.

Also note the Xpressway version on the Starpower 10 incher: it rather
suddenly fades (echoes) out after that pause which is a killer effect
if you expected the LP version.

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unsubscribe me, please


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>
>>
>> ok..does anyone know if sonic youth will be in the united states soon?
>> any list of concerts or dates???
>> dave
>>
>Sonic Youth are playing the Academy in NYC on the 21st & 22nd, with the
>Breeders and St. Johnny.
>

Current issue (21 June) of _the New Yorker_ lists this gig,
says of sonic youth:

        "Sonic Youth may never catch a ride on the Nirvana express,
         but then success might spoil them.  Brave guitar noise and
         passion galore will have to do for now."

Also features a nice color drawing of the band by artist Karen Caldicott.

_________

Jim Pekar  [e-mail]

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dean asks about action swingers:

i haven't really kept up with the swingers -- just have their "fear of
a fucked up planet" 7-inch. they seem to have a lot of rotation in the
lineup, with various pussy galores and friends dropping in and out --
(sort of like boss hog?) but i think x-youther, x-pussy bob bert is
still the main percussion man. i hear they have a new record out.

--mg


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>
> Hi, I'm new at this so be easy on me please.
>
> I have heard of a group called "Action Swingers" that apparently contain some
> ex-members of SY, has anyone heard of them, are they any good ?
>
> Thanks in advance
> Dean T. Pribetic
>
I think Bob Bert (also ex-Pussy Galore) drums for them.




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[e-mail] writes:

> Goo sucks except Mildred.

Eeeek. I still can't understand *why* is it so much hated? It was my first
SY lp, and still IMHO one of the best (yes i have all the albums (except the
Ciccone thing)).

> where are the lyrics from digests past? i can't find them at cs.uwp.edu???

Tell me too. I was removed from the list by accident for a couple of months,
so i missed 'em all..

--
Antti Autio [e-mail] [phone] OH8KSU bored@IRC


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Derek Hall <[e-mail]> writes:

> Sorry- wrong subject heading- but what was that bit from "Secret Girls" off
> Evol about "You're the boy/the can of joy..."  I always thought that it was
> "You're the boy/that can enjoy/invisibility..." I haven't seen anyone else
> comment on this- what is the Net wisdom?

The lyrics sheet that came w/ cd says it is "you're the boy/that can enjoy/
invisibility" and it sounds like that too.

> As for pauses in music, to keep to SY examples, the break in between
> "Intro" and "Brave Men Run" is pretty good too.

And there's that cool little break in 'bad mood' too.

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I like goo and dirty!

--
'Don't listen to this imposter; you are lost I Mike Winter
if you forget that the Earth belongs to no   I Saskatoon, Sk.
one, and that its fruits are for all!'-Thoreau


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> I like goo and dirty!  (this bit written by Mike Winter)

SONIC YOUTH, SONIC YOUTH,
SONIC YOUTH, SONIC YOUTH, SONIC YOUTH, SONIC YOUTH, SONIC YOUTH, SONIC YOUTH,
SONIC YOUTH, SONIC YOUTH, SONIC YOUTH, SONIC YOUTH, SONIC YOUTH, SONIC YOUTH,
 SONIC YOUTH, SONIC YOUTH, SONIC YOUTH, SONIC YOUTH,SONIC YOUTH,

    woo woo woo!!!! wooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

dave


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David Michael Sisson remarks:
> > I like goo and dirty!  (this bit written by Mike Winter)
>
> SONIC YOUTH, SONIC YOUTH,
> SONIC YOUTH, SONIC YOUTH, SONIC YOUTH, SONIC YOUTH, SONIC YOUTH, SONIC YOUTH,
> SONIC YOUTH, SONIC YOUTH, SONIC YOUTH, SONIC YOUTH, SONIC YOUTH, SONIC YOUTH,
>  SONIC YOUTH, SONIC YOUTH, SONIC YOUTH, SONIC YOUTH,SONIC YOUTH,
>
>         woo woo woo!!!! wooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> dave

Yeah, I totally agree.
Really.
No shit, I mean it: REALLY.
Can't be shocked by it either.
Not a bit.
Maybe the wrong list, I dunno.
Could be.
Consider it.
Really.

 - frank



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I remember when Fred Francis would say things like:
>
>I've just recently hooked up with this list and
>so will present my meager SY credentials in hopes
>of getting some advice.
>
>I have only 4 releases by Sonic Youth, 2 of which
>seem to be the most disdained here (_Goo_ and _Dirty_,
>did I really have to specify?). Also I have _Evol_
>and _Daydream Nation_, and agree that they are works
>of high art. But where do I go from here? Everyone has
>their faves, and I will, from within the confines of
>my lowly financial niche, eventually get to them all.
>But what's the next acquisition?

For my money, I'd go with _Sister_.  In my infrequent but violent
ranking fits, I usually rate it as my second favorite after
_Daydream Nation_.  But then again, I love _Goo_ and think
"Wish Fulfillment" is a fine song, so...

If you still care, I'd get _Bad Moon Rising_ next and then
_Confusion Is Sex_.  They're great albums, but I really
think that Shelley is/was the missing link.

--
Michael L. Medlin    [e-mail]
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Yeah, Bob Bert is the only ex-sonic ever in the Action Swingers. They
were a better band when Julia Cafritz (ex-Pussy Galore, now in Kitten
with Kim G.) was with them, but they're still good. They remind me a lot
of the Supersuckers in that the songs all sound similar, they're really
fast and loud, not in a punk rock way, but in  a burly sort of way,
if that makes sense.

The best thing about the Action Swingers is that when you make a compilation
tape and you have just a little bit of room left on the tape, there's
usually room for one of their songs, since they're usually under 2 minutes.

One of my fave Action Swingers songs is one where Julia C. sings/yells but
they hardly ever had her do vocals.

They also do a really funny song called Courtney Love.

chris
tine


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Re: Sonic Youth and Piano

I could swear I hear acoustic piano in some Sy songs.  Anyone else?


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Hey--

I just picked up Shonen Knife's 712 lp.  Not exactly what I had expected
(the band is VERY loose, musically) but a high value product nonetheless.
There is a nice pic of SY and SK in the inner sleeve, and SY is mentioned
(along with Redd Kross and White Flag) in the "thank yous".

selah,

Dan


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>I picked up a German pressing of a SY CD called "Anarchy at St. Mary's Place."

It's listed in the discography, which I swear to buddha I'm gonna work on
this weekend and try to post, having sat on it for about two months.  The
correct name for that CD was supposed to be "Anarchy at St. Mark's Place"
which refers to Greenwich Village in New York City.

Rob V.



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Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1993 14:22:01 -0400
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Thinking Fellers Local 282

To get back on topic, what about another sort of pause, like the pause
between SY albums. Are we going to have to wait a whole 'nother year
for the next one?

--
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Arrrgghhhh what a drag... I just got back from the first Lollapalooza '93
date and the 2 bands that I really wanted to see (Kitten and Mosquito)
didn't play! Ohwell... it was a good show over all... Tool was
*incredible*. But hopefully the 2 SY spinoffs will play at some of your
guys' dates (Rage against tghe machine didn't show up either)



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Hello,

I'm fairly new to the list and totally crazy about SY.

I won't list my top 10, though the earliers songs are (to me) better.
Ref.: Brother Jam-z, Kill Yr. Idols.

I have 1 question: does anyone have "BROTHER JAMES"-lyrics?

            or Kill Yr. Idols




                    Stefan


"It's the power of yr. imagination.",

        Neuromancer.


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Oh well...
>> where are the lyrics from digests past? i can't find them at cs.uwp.edu???
>
>Tell me too. I was removed from the list by accident for a couple of months,
>so i missed 'em all..

I thought I said this before, and I'll probably have to say it again.. You'll
have to mail _me_  ([e-mail]) because I sort of keep em... Not very
perfect, (It's mainly a 'Labour of love' and so on ) Rant rant.. Er.. were was
I? Ah yes.. Anybody know how to get them lyircs on cs.uwp.edu ? I won't do
it 'till I think i can't improve them, but it's still usefull to know..

Here's one of my fave albums, Confusion Is Sex

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Confusion is Sex"
1983 - LP/CS on Neutral (Neutral Nine)
1983 - LP/CS on Zensor (ND 02, Berlin)
1987 - LP/CS/CD reissued on SST (SST096, US)

Songs:  (She's In A) Bad Mood, Protect Me You, Freezer Burn/I Wanna Be Your
        Dog, Shaking Hell, Inhuman, The World Looks Red, Confusion Is Next,
        Making The Nature Scene, Lee Is Free
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

(She's In A) Bad Mood
------ -- -- --- ----

She's in a bad mood
but i won't fall for it
i believe all her lie
but i can't fall for it

she's in a bad mood
but i won't fall for it
i believe all her lie
but i can't fall for it

Protect Me You
------- -- ---

Protect me from ravagement
i am ten years old
i don't know what i do
protect me myself
i am fourteen
there's nothing to do
protect me yourself
i am sixteen
protect me from starving
i am eighteen
protect me you
i don't know what you do
protect me demons
that come at night
i don't know what they say
their whispering
sends the nightair away
and makes me forget
i hope they come
again and again

i'll take on
again and again
i hope they come again
again
again

Freezer Burn / I Wanna Be Your Dog
------- ---- - - ----- -- ---- ---

I wanna be on you [?]
feel my heart on the burning sand
now i wanna be your dog
now i wanna be your dog
now i wanna be your dog

well come on

loose my heart on the burning sand
now i wanna be your dog
now i wanna be your dog
now i wanna be your dog
now i wanna

well come on

Shaking Hell
------- ----

She's finally discovered she's a
he told her so
she's finally discovered she's a
he told her so
she's finally discovered she's a
he told her so
come closer and i'll tell you
come closer and i'll tell you
come closer and i'll take off your dress
i'll take off your dress
i'll shake off your flesh
i'll shake off your flesh
i'll shake off your flesh
shake off your flesh
shake off your flesh
turn around
turn around
turn around
shake
shake
shake
shake
shake
shake
shake
shake
shake
shake
shake of your flesh
shake of your flesh
shake of your flesh
shake of your flesh
shake shake
shake shake
shake shake
shake shake
shake shake
shake shake
shake shake
shake shake
shake shake
shake shake
shake shake
shake shake
shake shake
shake shake
shake shake
shake shake
shake shake
shake shake
shake shake
shake

Inhuman
-------

Hi
ahahahahahahahahahahaha

my body is a past time
my mind is a simple joy
i learn my lesson
the hardest way
but you don't know me
but you don't know me
a complete inhuman
complete inhuman
complete inhuman
complete inhuman

my body is a past time
my mind is a simple joy
i learn my lesson
the hardest way
but you don't know me
but you don't know me
complete inhuman
complete inhuman
complete inhuman
complete inhuman
inhu-inhuman
inhu-inhuman
inhuman
inhuman
inhuman
inhuman
inhuman
inhuman

The World Looks Red
--- ----- ----- ---

Push it away
the world looks red
people with fisheyes
the ground sucks
walk on my fingertips
displacing the fog
the weight of my body
is too much to bear
the memory drained
the life from the doll
an ocean of insects
moved like a sheet
the immovable fact
buried my mind
in a horsehair coat
in a pile
on the floor

push it away
the world looks red
people with fisheyes
the ground sucks
walk on my fingertips
displacing the fog
the weight of my body
is too much to bear
the memory drained
the life from the doll
the ocean of insects
moved like a sheet
the immovable fact
buried my mind
in a horsehair coat
in a pile
on the floor

Confusion Is Next
--------- -- ----

I maintain that
chaos is the future
and beyond it is freedom
confusion is next and next after that is the truth
you gotta cultivate what you need to need
sonic tooth
sonic tooth
sonic tooth

stick your fingers
in your mouth
squeeze your tongue
and wrench it out
from its ugly fucking cancer
its ugly fucking cancer
root
you gotta cultivate what you need to need
sonic tooth
sonic tooth
sonic tooth

chaos is the future
and beyond it is freedom
confusion is next and next after that is the truth
you gotta cultivate what you need to need
sonic tooth
sonic tooth
sonic tooth
sonic tooth

stick your fingers
in your mouth
squeeze your tongue
and wrench it out
from its ugly fucking cancer
its ugly fucking cancer
root
you gotta cultivate what you need to need
sonic tooth
sonic tooth
sonic tooth
sonic tooth

tell nothing but the truth

Making The Nature Scene
------ --- ------ -----

Going back to these origins
the city is a natural scape
order in details
confusion uproar in the whole
in nature reality is selection
the tool of critical intervention
fragmentation is the rule
unity is not thaught in school
you are in unnatural growth
on a funny sunny street
the city has forgotten you
symbols of its past
the meaning of its state
its order of decay
stand now in a column
and make the nature scene

standing all in columns
making the nature scene
making the nature scene
waiting to make their pay
there is no resistance to
the science along the way
standing all in columns
waiting to make their pay
making the nature scene
waiting for the day
there is no resistance to
there is no resistance to
salvation means
to count on you
it just means
to count on you
make that nature scene
making the nature scene
making the nature scene
making the nature scene

Lee Is Free
--- -- ----

<instrumental>

All typed ekcetera by me (I think)

Hans


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>SONIC YOUTH, SONIC YOUTH,
SONIC YOUTH, SONIC YOUTH, SONIC YOUTH, SONIC YOUTH, SONIC YOUTH, SONIC YOUTH,
SONIC YOUTH, SONIC YOUTH, SONIC YOUTH, SONIC YOUTH, SONIC YOUTH, SONIC YOUTH,
 SONIC YOUTH, SONIC YOUTH, SONIC YOUTH, SONIC YOUTH,SONIC YOUTH

An adrenal mental man-tool box explodes in music creates utopia..

Hans


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Stefan sez:

>I have 1 question: does anyone have "BROTHER JAMES"-lyrics?

Um... you know I said I had the lyrics(sort of).. well I do.. almost all..
xcept for the 'Kill yr Idols' ep... 'cause i never even seen it.. :-(

Is it amongst the rereleases planned for this summer?

Hans


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>From Eric Rickin:

>Raygun, which is a magazine I recently picked up, has a story in tihs
>month's issue about Sonic Youth's tour last summer (not the 1991: The
>Year the Punk Broke tour, but the Dirty tour).  Raygun magazine is
>basically an alternative "Spin"ish magazine, not as good as alternative
>press.  Also, the layout, which is considered "unique" annonys the HELL
>out of me, espcially when I can't figure out what an article is saying
>(they think it's cool to write two lines over eachother, and the like).
>
>--
>Eric Rickin ([e-mail])
>University of Michigan Class of 1996
>"All persons, living and dead, are purely coincidental and should not be
>construed." - Kurt Vonnegut _God Bless You, Mr. Rosewater_



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I'm wondering if anyone has anything to say/think about the use of humour
in Sonic Youth albums.  I find that whenever I come across a song of theirs
that I consider somewhat silly or not up to par ("Hotwire my Heart," "YAF"
(of course)) I just put it down to them making a joke.  But at other times
I figure that this is just my way of rationalizing away the idea that they
could ever do a lame song.  Obviously "4 Tunna Brix" and other such things
show that they're not above being very silly...

..actually, it's been raining here for 5 days and i'm just bored.  But i'd
be interested to hear comments.


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On Jun 18,  2:30pm, Comet Barfly (hi, Doomie!) wrote:

} Yeah, Bob Bert is the only ex-sonic ever in the Action Swingers. They
} were a better band when Julia Cafritz (ex-Pussy Galore, now in Kitten
} with Kim G.) was with them, but they're still good. They remind me a lot
} of the Supersuckers in that the songs all sound similar, they're really
} fast and loud, not in a punk rock way, but in  a burly sort of way,
} if that makes sense.

Christine has described them better than I could have hoped to.  This
description is on the mark.  I'd emphasize the samey-ness of the songs;
however, it doesn't get to be tiresome, at least within the confines
of a short CD.  I just have the first one (*with* Julia, I think)
and it's fun stuff.  I think they have (at least) three CD's out on
Primo Scree now, including the new one.  Groovy hate fuck, man.

As for pregnant pauses in music, one of my favorite (and this doesn't
stray from the Sonic Youth fold TOO much, I hope) pregnant pauses
occurs in the tune "Exterminator" (?) on the eponymous Unsane album
(when Action Man was still around, sniff), you know, the 5th or 6th
track in, with the guitar delay effect.  Heavy as shit.

Eric


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Sure they've got a sense of humor!  I mean, this is a band that participated
in a split single with Mudhoney, they covered a Mudhoney song and Mudhoney
covered one of theirs.  The fact that they did a whole album under
Madonna's last name (the Ciccone Youth thing) is hysterical, and much of
that album is funny, some of it is beautiful, but most of it's really
a riot!  There is a sort of hip tongue in cool cheek theme in most
of their music, I mean, how many of you really know someone named Goo?

chris
tine

PS: WHEN is the next damn newsletter going to come out?  And has anyone
seen Mosquito or Kitten at Lalapalooza on the side stage yet? I didn't
go, but if anyone has seen them, review the shows!



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Shonen Knife's Lp Let's Knife is one of the coolest things i've heard since the Meat Puppets! Tortoise Brand Pot Cleaner's Theme is hilarious. Baka Guy is SY meAts Sabbath!
the more i get into the sonics, the more i dislike Thurston and Goo...oops i mean Kim. Thurston used to be my fave, now i see the Lee, i mean light.
who says Bob Bert is an *ex* pussy?
when i says "Beauty Lies in the Eye" is the only SY album song with an acoustic, i meant an acoustic GUITAR (dorks!)
the only tune i've heard with a piano is the Evol tune, but then again maybe i'm not listening hard enough.
hey, did you know Dirty (said with a sneer) has a SYNTHESISER on it?! oh how brave of TM. what a cool fucking baka guy. I can't rant enough about my lords releasing two shit albums IN A ROW!
i tried that other version of the intro to candle and i still think mine is correct. the only parts on mine that are screwed up are the "on the carpet" part and the second guitar's tuning (and thus the second guitar's tab).
sometimes when i pee.................

I am a deaths-head in your frock,
-Sam
Your sister is a beauty when she's naked, like my kid.
We are the dead.


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  Blah blah blah, passin' on the info...

  Ron "Helpful" Rader

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re: action swingers

i think i posted some misinformation a few days ago -- i knew bob bert
played on some action swingers stuff, but on the "fear of a fucked up
planet" 7-inch, the band is just julia, don hayden and *don fleming*
(ball, velvet monkeys, rake, gumball, etc. etc. etc.) on drums.

confusion is next,
--mg


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sam writes:
>when i says "Beauty Lies in the Eye" is the only SY album song with an acoustic,
>i meant an acoustic GUITAR (dorks!)

dorks?! but dig this big crux:
i don't have my sy albums in front of me, so i don't have titles (so
maybe i shouldn't post??) -- but i think the foghorn sounds on one of
the bad moon rising tracks are an acoustic guitar w/a pickup -- at
least that's what lee uses in a concert video i've seen (i'm told it's from
the death valley show). point the acoustic at an amp and it howls -- whole
different caliber of feedback, dontcha know...

and
>the only tune i've heard with a piano is the Evol tune,

let's not forget mike watt's answering machine message on daydream
nation -- some nice piano underneath that "thurston!"

>but then again maybe i'm not listening hard enough

well, probably the best sy piano moment IMHO is the jerry lee lewis-style,
kick over the bench, great balls aspire intro to "yaf." but i think that
was probably played by ian mackaye... but then again maybe i'm listening
too hard.

--mg


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>dorks?! but dig this big crux:

"Organizing the boy scouts for murder is wrong!"

_________

Jim Pekar  [e-mail]

Disclaimer:  All opinions, etc., above are personal, etc.,
and do not represent those of the federal government, etc.




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alternate spelling: conik yyuth
heehee

--
'Don't listen to this imposter; you are lost I Mike Winter
if you forget that the Earth belongs to no   I Saskatoon, Sk.
one, and that its fruits are for all!'-Thoreau


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MG:

>>the only tune i've heard with a piano is the Evol tune,
>let's not forget mike watt's answering machine message on daydream
>nation -- some nice piano underneath that "thurston!"

Played by Thurston, no less, who is fairly proficient on the ivories I've
heard.

>well, probably the best sy piano moment IMHO is the jerry lee lewis-style,
>kick over the bench, great balls aspire intro to "yaf." but i think that
>was probably played by ian mackaye...

Ian's contribution was only guitar.

Rob V.


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From: [e-mail] (Eric Avera)
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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1993 15:42:32 -0400
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Urp, too much Captain Harlock for me, apparently.  :)

Just wanted to let the Euro types (and those yanks lucky enough to
be across the drink in July, and whoever else might be in Angle-land
then) that a full-pager in Deadline (a very cool comic 'zine, with
occasionally cool music stuff, too) proclaims that Sonic Youth will
be playing the first day (July 16th) of a 3-day outdoor extravaganza
near Stratford-on-Avon (does Upper Marston sound right?).  3 stages.
They are headlining on the 16th; also on the slate for that day are
Fatima Mansions, Jacob's Mouse, and (I think) Living Color.  A mixed
bag of music, and probably short sets, but there you have it.  Can't
remember who's playing on the 17th (a lot of forgettables, I'm sure,
like Radiohead :^P ); on the 18th, it's Mercury Rev, Helmet, etc.,
and Dino Jr.  Not bad.  Well, I won't be there, but I though this
might be of interest anyway.  BTW, it's called "The Phoenix" or
some such.  Guess the LollygaggingPalookaLoser thing is catching.

Eric



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    Got my sonic death #4 today, didn't read too intently but did notice
tour dates, European only, which were quite up to date.  There was also
a notice about this fine mail group, wonder if the membership will grow
significantly. Also seemed to be more good, read vinyl and cd, stuff for
sale including the sassy single.  Cool.  I never got anything about the
contest but i guess it was because i didn't have to renew my membership.
 whatever.  read up!

                                            rich


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There's another guitar, a few notes on another SY song.
I forget the name and album but it has lyrics that go something like
"Turn the lights out"... "amazing grace" ....really and really"
I'll try to look it up if that's not enough clue.
I have the tune in my head, just not the name or lyrics.


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This may sound like a strange comparisoin... but does anyone see any
similarities between SY and the Soft Machine (the avant garde fusion band
from the 60s)?

I've been really digging Soft Machine 1 and 2.  They seem really ahead of
their time in the way they sometimes stretch the sounds of instruments,
the way SY does.  of course, they don'[t retune.  Their melodies are
simple (like SY) and just vehicles for ten and twenty minute
"improvisations" , like SY.  They have an excellent musical knowledge
but stll have rock energy (like SY).  Their songs are long and noncommercial,
like sY.
Any comments on the Soft Machine, or the comparison?


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so sonic death #4 is out, huh?  guess i can stop waiting around for #3.  has
anyone else had problems getting their fanzines?  I wrote to them a couple of
weeks ago asking why i hadn't seen anything since i got ish 2 and the cd
last august, but i haven't heard back yet?  anyone know what gives?

okay, so i sound a little whiney.  sentence 4 is a statement, not a question,
my typo.

                    scott


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This here is a fanzine interview from the early grunge list
archives. I didn't record the original poster etc. It's been
sitting on my disc here for a few months but I'm running out
of disc space so before I delete it I thought you'd all get
something from it. It's fun, and funny.

Thought you might find this interesting. The following interview was published
on a fanzine called _Cosloy Youth_, compiled a few years ago by KTRU's music
director and general manager and xeroxed on the Student Association copier.

(c) _Cosloy Youth_, for whatever all that might matter, y'all.

----- cut here -----

Sonic Youth was gang-interviewed after their "Ramones Set" at Fitzgerald's
September 20.  Present were:  Kim Gordon, Thurston Moore, and Lee Renaldo of
Sonic Youth, Ray & Robert (Cosloy Youth), Austin Caustic (Sicko), Julie Wroble
(KTRU), and various members of Grindin' Teeth and Nice Strong Arm.

SICKO:  Tell me about what's different what you're doing now compared to what
you were doing a couple of years ago, or even last year.

KIM:  Um . . . that's impossible to answer.

S:  That's impossible to answer?

KIM:  That's like saying "What was going on two years ago?"

S:  But like tonight, there were no drumsticks under the guitar strings or
anything like that.

KIM: That's just because we don't want to make every song a drumstick song.  It
gets boring.

S:  You got bored with that?

KIM:  Yeah.

S:  Do a lot of people that go to see shows get irritated with that?

KIM:  They say "Hey, where're the drumsticks?", y'know, it's a circus.

COSLOY YOUTH:  Have you noticed any bands picking up and doing the kind of
things you're doing.  There'e Live Skull, Rat At Rat R, bands that people have
compared to you a lot, but. . .

KIM:  No, that's just because they're from New York also, and they don't play
pop music, but...Live Skull has a sound that's more influenced by British, the
British sound, like Siouxsie and the Banshees; they always use, like, heavy
effects on the guitars, and they're not anything like us.  And Rat At Rat R no
longer exists anyway, so. . .

CY:  Do you see yourself influencing bands that are just starting?

KIM:  Yeah, a lot of people say that, or ask that, and maybe we do in the sense
of attitude or something, that because we've gone a long way doing what we do
that it kind of shows people that they can make any kind of music and in a
sense, if they persist at it, if their serious at it, people will take them
seriously.

CY:  The reason I was asking is 'cause I saw a local band here a couple of
months ago and at the beginning of their set they were doing this long extended
noisy thing, and all the guitar players were knocking on the backs of the necks
of their guitar's. . .

THURSTON:  Really?

KIM:  I mean, you'll see bands who do take elements like that, like superficial
elements like that. . .

THURSTON:  Hendrix used to do that.

KIM:  ...yeah, a lot of people have done it.  But lots of times those are the
people who sound the least like us.  It's really more of an attitude thing, I
think.

S:  So you're not worried about there being a lot of Sonic Youth copy bands.

KIM:  No.

S:  So tell us about the Ramones set tonight.  What inspired that?

THURSTON:  We had just been at sound check and it sort of,I don't know, we just
started playing Ramones songs.

KIM:  Like, "what's the stupidest thing we could do?"

THURSTON:  No, it's not stupid, it's just. . .

KIM:  It's like what you were saying before, like coverbands never play Ramones
songs.

THURSTON:  Yeah, it's like Beatlemania, or like Crystal Ship, the Doors band.

KIM:  Led Zep night.

S:  So have you been doing that a while, lots of Ramones copies?

KIM:  Every couple of days we learn a new one.

THURSTON:  We figure by the time we get back home to New York, we'll just come
out and do like a whole album, the whole first album.

KTRU:  They're not real difficult to pick up, I'm sure.

KIM:  No,they're not, but it's confusing to remember one from the other because
they're so similiar.

CY:  This Madonna thing.  I read someplace, don't ask me where, but some people
were arguing that you don't really like Madonna,and it's all a big joke on your
part, on your fans, like a big prank.

KIM:  No, we like her.

THURSTON:  No, we like her alot.  We just like that one song.

KIM:  I think she's becoming a bit driven, though. . .

 . .(interruption while people come in and socialize). . .

THURSTON:  ...no, it's like, she the kind of person who insinuates being real
populous, and at the same time a like Lower East Side loft kind of mentality or
something.  It's too obvious, now.  I mean, we never wanted to try to exploit
that we like Mandonna, it just sorta happened.  We did that song . . .

CY:  Did you ever get in trouble for that?  Legal trouble at all?

THURSTON:  Supposedly she heard it, and said it's OK, she just won't tell her
management.  And she's like, she used to live in New York, she went out with a
friend of ours for a while, and I won't tell you who, because you know who it
is.  And she was in this band called "Spinal...",  this weird Gang-of-Four-ish
new wave band, with these kids who were in Deep Six, Circus Mort, who turned
into the Swans.  I mean, there's a weird connection there;  so she is actually
part of the Swans thing.

S:  Madonna is part of the whole Swans trip?  This has the makings of a real
underground Weekly World News story. . .

THURSTON:  Weekly Weird News.

S:  A real news flash:  Madonna went out with Michael Gira, we have pictures.

THURSTON:  Why Michael Gira?

S:  Well, I don't know, you said she was hanging out with the Swans, I mean...

THURSTON:  Well, you can't say Michael Gira, 'cause he'd be offended.  Michael
Gira would be very offended.

KIM:  Yeah, he's a very private person.

THURSTON:  Well, when she used to play around, we used to always hate her,
'cause she's such a jerk.  She used to like... well, there's this guy she used
to go out with we know, she used to sit on his lap, the whole time like looking
around. . .

KIM:  She was so much the babe on the make, always looking around,I mean, she's
be making out with this guy one second and then looking around. . .

THURSTON:  And when she first got signed to Sire we were just kinda like "Oh
no", and when her first single came out we used to laugh at her.  And we never
saw her play because we'd always be at a club and she'd like, she'd be playing,
and we'd go "let's go before Madonna comes".  And then all of a sudden she
started writing really great songs.

S:  So what's the real name of that song with the chorus of "We're gonna kill
the California girls"?

THURSTON: What about it?

S:  What's the real name of that song?  I mean, I've seen about four different
names in different places.

THURSTON:  I know.  I don't know.  It's all those names.

S:  It just can't be named?

KTRU:  Like tonight, "Skating on the Bowery".

THURSTON:  It's got more names than any other song, let's put it that way.

S:  What was it called tonight?

THURSTON:  It was called, like "Fuck", or something.

CY:  There's a song on Evol, "In the Kingdom", that Mike Watt played bass on.
Wasn't that kind of weird? I mean, that's a pretty violent description of a car
wreck, and right after D. Boon dying. . .

THURSTON:  Yes.  Yeah, in a way.  I mean, Lee . . . those were some words Lee
wrote years ago, and then when Mike was in New York and we were recording, he
wanted to play bass. That song was constructed in the studio, we'd never played
it live or anything.  And Mike was there, and he just sort of came up with the
bass, and it was just, it what just, like that.  I mean, Lee explained to Mike
that it was really, uh, what it was about. . .

KIM:  That it wasn't really in bad taste, it just seems like it.

THURSTON:  Yeah.  Mike's pretty cool.  But, I know, it sort of amplifies . . .
implies weirdness.  It's just coincidence.

(. . .Nice Strong Arm comes in to scam some root beer,  Thurston bitches about
the door price in Austin. . .)

CY:  When Iggy played with you, that time, I heard that he just got up on stage
with you.  Was that planned, did you know that was going to happen?

THURSTON:  Yeah, it was a total scam (big laffs all around). We paid him.  No,
we were rehearsing that day 'cause we hadn't played for a long time, and we were
rehearsing in a rehearsal studio, some big rehearsal studio. And when we were
rehearsing we did "I Wanna Be Your Dog", and we were walking down the hall and
there was another studio and we heard another band doing it.  So we sorta like
open the door and it was fuckin' Iggy Pop, and we're like "wow".  And we didn't
think they were playing it really well at all,  So we're like "wow, it's Iggy".
He heard us rehearsing it, and then he came up to us, you know.  He was real
nice.  He's like a real dude from the Midwest, he's a real ratty guy.  He's
really a totally hyper kind of person, constantly like, I don't know, a weird
metabolism.  But it was a lot of fun, and we didn't think he was going to come
to the gig, but he came.  He just sorta hung out backstage, and we did "I Wanna
Be Your Dog", and we asked him to sing and he goes "yeah!"  and he came out.
And then people started freaking out,I don't know if they realized it at first.
 He did his whole trip, I mean, it was so weird, it was sorta like watching TV
or something.  It was so weird.

S:  On the past few albums, ya'll have gotten more and more structured. Is that
a correct interpretation?

THURSTON:  Structured?

S:  Yeah, you're doing more and more songs, well, not songs, but they're
shorter, and there's less long discordant jams than, say, the first couple of
albums, or even on Bad Moon Rising.

KIM:  There aren't any jams on this one.

S:  Oh,there's discordant noise bits and stuff, but there aren't the long jams.
 Was that a conscious decision?

THURSTON:  No.

KIM:   I think it 's more of a reaction than a decision.

S:  Reaction to what?

KIM:  What we did before. Like, we're tired of doing long songs, let's do short
songs.  Like on Bad Moon we did the segues.  That was the only record where we
consciously. . . where we want it with just segues, 'cause when we were doing
the Confusion material live we just started doing that, because it made it
easier for transitions and stuff. And then after Bad Moon we go "well, we don't
want to do the segues anymore."  It was boring.

THURSTON:  No,we don't sit down and discuss what we're gonna do, we just do it.
 It's not like a conscious decision.

KIM:  It's really like every record has it's own mood.  I think it's more
reactions from, like, what happens when you play the last set of material, that
kind of leads you toward doing the next material.

KTRU:  What kind of themes are on the Sister record, would you say?

THURSTON:  Themes?

KTRU:  Well, moods, what you were talking about, an album having moods.

K:  Um . . . kind of . . . Cyberpunkish.  (big laffs).

S:  Well, explain cyberpunk to those of us who aren't familiar with that genre.

THURSTON:  Bruce Sterling's from Austin.

K:  Yeah, he's one of the king cyberpunks.  Although they probably don't like
that term.

S:  King cyberpunk?

THURSTON:  Yeah, he's this writer from Austin.  He instigated alot of this 80's
sci-fi kind of stuff.

KIM:  But he put out a compilation, he edited this compilation, and it got
reveiewed, and somebody coined the term "cyberpunk".

S:  What compilation was that?

CY:  Was that Mirrorshades?

THURSTON:  Mirrorshades.  Right.

CY:  That's a cool book.

S:  So Sister is cyberpunk.

KIM:  Yeah.  This is a scoop, OK?

S:  So just for the benefit of us pigeonholers, can you describe the rest of
your records in neat terms that?

THURSTON:  Like science fiction philosophies?

KIM:  It's all cyberpunk.

S:  It's all cyberpunk.  Finally.  You heard it first here.

KIM:  Yeah, if you want to label us, just call us cyberpunks.

THURSTON:  Cybercore.

S:  Now that we've got a genre going, let's hear some other bands in the
cyberpunk genre.

THURSTON:  Aw, man, there's like a load of 'em.  There's um . . .

KIM:  Nice Strong Arm.

THURSTON:  . . . Nice Strong Arm, the Ramones . . .

NICE STRONG ARM: Wow, do you have glitter on your shoes?

S:  Yeah.

NSA:  Cool.

THURSTON:  Pretty cyber, huh?

KIM:  That earring's total cyber.

S:  So is that gonna be a genre, eventually, like hardore, or something?
Cyberpunk bands?

THURSTON:  Oh, it is.

KIM:  Yeah, when Spin comes back we'll have new cyberpunk bands.

CY:  The Tenth Anniversary of Cyberpunk.

S:  And there'll be thousands of people with cyberpunk hairdos running around,
being cyberpunks, huh?

THURSTON:  Like, Phillip K. Dick was sort of a pregenitor of that, like, all
these young writers who came out from under him.  It's less hard science, and
it's more sort of psychological.

S:  Cybernetics.

THURSTON:  Yeah, but using, like, software and cybernetics.  Like putting
modules into the back of your neck, and plugging into the matrix.

NSA:  Like Count Zero?

THURSTON:  Yeah, like, stereophiles, who spend all their money on audiophile
equipment.  Sort of this sense of pleasing your schizophrenic desire, stereo.

S:  So, eventually it'll be like "cyberpunk is dead", right?

THURSTON:  Well, I don't know . . .

S:  OK, next question.  This is the first time I've seen people slamming at a
Sonic Youth gig.  It seems to me that that could be real dangerous.  I mean,
some of your music really feels like it's inciteful towards violence.

THURSTON:  Yeah.  We're very violent people.

KIM:  But, people do pretty organized things, like they do at hardcore gigs,
like the pit, the forearms, and all.  I mean, the most psychotic audiences I've
ever seen I think have been at Butthole gigs.

THURSTON:  We're pro pit bull. (laffs)

KIM:  Like, people don't form a pit at Butthole shows.  They're more like . . .
total anarchy.

S:  Well, that's interesting, 'cause the Butthole gigs I've been at, the
slamming's looked wild, but, it's ... I don't do that any more since I cracked
my head open . . . But the stuff I've seen at Buttholes gigs has looked wild,
but hasn't been that rough.  It's not like DRI where people are trying to kill
each other.

THURSTON:  Do you stage dive?

NSA:  Always, like in my bedroom,I start bouncing till I can get my head to the
ceiling, then I dive off.

S:  Well, does that happen a lot at Sonic Youth gigs anymore, people slam
dancing, and thrashing?

THURSTON:  Yeah, sometimes.  It always kinda freaks you out, sometimes at the
start of the song, people start slamming, and you know it's not how the song
goes, and they're gonna get bummed out.  You, like, change into non-slam.  I
always feel sorry for those people who start slamming.  'Cause you know their
gonna stop, because it's not . . .

KIM:  Yeah, usually we do the Ramones songs at the encore, but we felt bad for
'em.

CY:  You didn't feel bad for us.

THURSTON:  You were up at the front going "no, please don't play thrash, no".

S:  What about the song "Kill Your Idols"?  I've heard a lot of versions on
different records, and I've seen you play it twice, but you didn't play it
tonight.

LEE:  I think you've heard the same version on different records.

THURSTON:  There's only one version of that, what are you talking about?

KIM:  Well, you've heard live versions.

LEE:  Yeah, there's two versions.

S:  I've heard there's another version on the Communicate comp.

LEE:  Oh, fuck.

THURSTON:  That's just live crap.

S:  You're bored with that song?

THURSTON:  Sure.

S:  What do you do with songs you get bored with, do you put 'em on the shelf?

THURSTON:  Yeah.

LEE:  We just use the guitars for another tuning.

THURSTON:  We just sort of cancel 'em out.

S:  Do you think comparisons between yourself and the Grateful Dead are fair,at
all?

(. . . much disagreement . . . )

LEE:  Being the only one who knows anything about both bands, I think it's
fairly apt.

S:  I would have to agree with that.

LEE:  I'm not saying that's good.

THURSTON:  I don't get it, myself.  I've heard that.

S:  So you all dislike the Grateful Dead.

LEE:  No, not at all.  I like them again, recently.  I hadn't liked them for a
long time.

KIM:  I like some of it, but a lot of it I don't like.  I don't like the long,
jazzy jams.

THURSTON:  I like their really bad records, like Shakedown Street.

LEE:  He's really into the shitty Dead.

CY:  I read an interview once where you said that rock&roll was your religion.
 Were you kidding?

THURSTON:  Oh ,God . . .

CY:  It was in Option, so . . .

LEE:  Yeah, so that's a lie, you can tell.

THURSTON:  Yeah, but . . . that's . . .

LEE:  (to Thurston) Did you guys really say that?

KIM:  He stole it from Patti Smith.

THURSTON:  That's a pretty gay thing to say, I guess.  I can't believe I said
that.

CY:  Never mind.  Next question.

KTRU:  I read something today about when you were in England, people avoided
talking to you because they generally stereotype women in rock and you didn't
fit the stereotypes.

KIM:  I don't think that's what I said.  I think, like, there were a couple of
times when they would describe the band, (this was early on when we were there)
and they would describe everyone in the band except for the me, and I just
generally got the feeling that they don't know how to deal well with women
unless there's a really specific stereotype, like a conventional stereotype.

S:  There are certainly some English bands, though, that are active
feminist-type bands, like Poison Girls, Lost Cherrie . . .

KIM:  I don't know them.

S:  You don't know Poison Girls?

THURSTON:  Yeah, they're like, Crass kind of . . .

LEE:  The Poison Girls, are they the ones with, like, the hillbillies?

( . . . lots of talk about women, Beverly Hillbillies. . .)

KTRU:  So do you think women need to take a more active role in projecting some
kind of image?

KIM:  In England?

KTRU:  Just anywhere.  In rock, in general.

KIM:  Well, I don't know, I think it's difficult to project an image that's
different, that's also honest.  It's hard to project something that's more
personal, you know, that's . . . I don't know, it's hard to explain.  It's hard
to project something that's different because something that's not stereotypic
involves something more personal, and therefore you're putting more of yourself
out, in a way.  You're not protected.  I mean, there's a good reason why people
have their style so stylized, it's to protect themselves.

S:  But that goes on in all aspects of music and entertainment, not just
mainstream.  Certainly in a lot of underground music.

KIM:  Sure.

S:  It seems to me that you have always tried to stay away from that sort of
thing.

THURSTON:  That's the good thing about cybercore, is that males and females are
totally equal.  It's totally happenin'.

LEE:  It's a unicore thing.

S:  Just dealing with it on a whole-hearted and cybercore basis?

THURSTON:  We deal with a definite cybercore basis.

LEE:  We jack into the matrix.

KIM:  It's just a temporary illusion anyway.

S:  You stay centered all the time.

KIM:  In a temporary sort of way.

S:  What did Sonic Youth do for the harmonic convergence?

THURSTON:  We slept in.

KIM:  We took a plane ride.

LEE:  We blew up a van.  That would be great if people were blowing up cars all
over America in honor of the harmonic convergence.  That's what we did.

KTRU:  I'd like to hear about "Tuff Gnarl" too.  Who came up with the words for
that?

CY:  It's a skate song.

THURSTON:  A skate song.  That's all pretty much what it is.

KIM:  Most of our songs are skate songs.  Skate is a big part in cyberpunk.

THURSTON:  Actually, they're lines from record reviews.

KTRU:  Really? Your records?

THURSTON:  No, I used to put out a magazine, and there was these record reviews
for this fanzine that I did years ago. 2 or 3 years ago.  And we needed lyrics,
so I just sorta took lines sporadically from each review. That's what all those
lines mean.

KTRU:  "Fatal erection home in bed"?

THURSTON:  Fatal Erection is the label that Poison Idea recorded for.  They're
like a Seattle hardcore band, and they put their records out on Fatal Erection.

CY:  What do you think of Swanic Youth?

THURSTON:  It's kind of silly.  I don't know.

LEE:  I wish I could hear it.  I haven't heard it.

THURSTON:  Really?!  The only thing I don't like about it is that some people
say they hear it on the radio and the DJ says it's us and the Swans together.
They actually believe it's like a compilation.

S:  One last question:  what's New York like anymore?

LEE:  It sucks.

S:  Is the scene fucked up?

KIM:  No, it's growing, it's thriving.  Lots of bands.

THURSTON:  People just, like, kill each other in the streets.  It's really
weird.

S:  But the scene's OK?

THURSTON:  It's strong.  (sarcastically)  The scene is very "strong".

----- cut here -----

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                                   *  /|\  *
                                    /  |  \
                                  /  * | *  \
                                       |
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That's it. The mental image of 1981-era M.Gira and Madonna locking loins is
pretty twisted, I mean, what would they talk about afterwards?


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I've got this CDSingle of Sugar Kane with on it 'Is it my body' and 'Personality
 Crisis'. Are they covers? If so, who did 'em originally?

Hans


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> I've got this CDSingle of Sugar Kane with on it 'Is it my body' and 'Personality
>  Crisis'. Are they covers? If so, who did 'em originally?
>

I haven't heard them so I'm not sure it's the same song, but the only
Personality Crisis I can think of is a New York Dolls song.

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hey ... does anyone out there have bootleg tapes that would
be willing to tape them for me?? i can send tapes and postage..
thanx
dave


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> hey ... does anyone out there have bootleg tapes that would
> be willing to tape them for me?? i can send tapes and postage..

Sorry, I've got nothing for you, BUT I'm looking for such stuff ...
Could you send a list of what you can tape ?

thanks

Ronan


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bill asks about "personality crisis" and "is it my body?"

i haven't heard the "sugar kane" single, but i'd guess "is it my body?"
is the alice cooper cover sonic youth contributed to the subpop singles
club a while (about 2 years, i think) ago. kim sings on the subpop
"body?" -- does she on the "sugar kane" "body?" ?

--mg


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>      So  then.  They opened with "Cotton Crown."  A  fairly
>subdued version, I would say.  By subdued I mean not  played
>with  abandon.   Relaxed.  But very well played  and  highly
>enjoyable.  I'd say this number set the tone for the rest of
>the night.

Just last night a friend was telling me about a
conversation he had with Kim when she was here in
January. He asked her how it was touring with Royal
Trux and Boredoms (those being two of his favourite
existing bands). Her answer was along the lines of:
the groups they tour with do influence SY; when
they toured with Mudhoney a few years back they
became much more rocky(rocklike?) and thrashy as a
result and she feels that after playing with RTrux
and Boredoms they are more subtle (again) and maybe
subdued (in a good way).

Henry
PS For reasons too complex to go into here my cat is now
a member of Sonic Death. So if someone called Hoover from
Sydney wins the guitar y'all can have a quiet chuckle.


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Hallo Peter en FrankS

Ik hoop dat je dit berichtje nog krijgt voordat jullie weggaan!

We zijn om +/- 20.00 vanavond op Utrecht CS. Misschien zien we jullie nog
wel?

Ik heb trouwens nog geprobeerd op te bellen, maar in Tilburg was er niemand
thuis?!?

Nou, doei!








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  I don't know if any one of you can answer this but I'm asking it anyway:
  Rumour has it that there's Sonic Youth date for Lisbon, Portugal the 14th
of July. This date wasn't on the inicial european tour list. The day is nearing
and we're not having the slightest confirmation. Can anyone confirm this?

  Thanx in advance,
  Mouta


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From: "ERIK EBERT, SOFTWARE DQ, HNL, 808 626-3393" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Swell Maps
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1993 20:24:10 -0400
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Swell maps are one of those "influential late seventies bands".  They were
mentioned here a while ago and their sound was compared to Sonic Youth,
Mission of Burma, Wire, so I was interested.  I finally tracked down copies
of the two Swell Maps albums.  None of the smail catalogs I have listed
them, but I got cutout copies from EAR/Rational music (angst@something or
other - if anybody wants the address let me know and I'll look it up).

Anyway, the albums are "A Trip to Marineville", MUTE 9 61199-2, and "Jane
from Occupied Europe", (MUTE something - it's at home).  They are reissues
in '91 and '92 of albums originally released in '79 and '80, respectively,
both with lots of extra tracks pushing the running time of each up over 60
min. There are also a couple of greatest hits albums out, but I didn't
bother looking for them.

Of the two, I really like ATTM.  It reminds me a lot of early Wire, which
makes sense because they were contemporaries.  I guess I can see the Sonic
Youth comparison, a little bit in the sound and more in their tendency to
write long "concept" songs.  JFOE is much more ambient then ATTM.
If you like ambient-industrial stuff you might like it, but I found it a
little annoying at times.  I would strongly recommend ATTM, though,
especially if you like Wire.  It's got some _really_ cool stuff on it.

Later.


            -- Erik


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Hi,

Since no one seems to have posted about last night's concert, I
might as well do it myself :)

While we were waiting in line to convert our reservations to real
tickets, Steve Shelley suddenly appeared. Everybody (well, about 10
people) rushed towards him, and started asking for autographs. I
only had two tickets on my, and I got them autographed. There were
people who had brought CD booklets and bootlegs to get signed, jesus
those people are fanatics :)
Anyway, the joy of having obtained an autographed ticket soon faded when
we entered - we had to hand in the tickets :(
But I was going to mail about the concert...
They started with Cotton Crown, and then went on to play two or
three new songs! The first one sounded like it could have been on
Confusion is Sex. Brilliant! Minimal repetitive guitar, loud bits
in the middle, and no lyrics yet. On one of the new songs Kim just sang
'ten twenty thiry fourty' thewhole time :) But they were different from
Dirty songs - more experimental in a way.
Then they played PCH, another new song (I think) and a brilliant version
of Flower. Nice to see what you can do with a screwdriver and a guitar!
Let's see, I didn't write down the playlist. They played three songs from
Dirty, Theresa Sound World, JC (after the break) and Swimsuit Issue.
Then they played Candle, Stereo Sanctity and, what's it called again,
'i'm the boy, that can enoy, invisibility'. They used a tape or something,
and they started the tape at the wrong speed (too fast), actually causing
Kim to smile!
After the break they played yet another new song, JC, and ended with Total
Trash. And that was it. They only played for 70 minutes or so.

For those interested, they all had had haircuts!

When we went out, they had thrown all tickets in a large box. I searched
and found a ticket with Steve's signature, so I did get one after all...

I am going to see them again tonight, hope they play different songs

-Peter


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Subject: New songs/styles
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1993 15:56:22 -0400
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 New songs/styles
Peter <[e-mail]> reports:
>They started with Cotton Crown, and then went on to play two or
>three new songs! The first one sounded like it could have been on
>Confusion is Sex. Brilliant! Minimal repetitive guitar, loud bits
>in the middle, and no lyrics yet. On one of the new songs Kim just sang
>'ten twenty thiry fourty' thewhole time :) But they were different from
>Dirty songs - more experimental in a way.

These reports about new songs / new styles really cheer me up. I'd been
assuming SY would just keep becoming more and more indistinguishable from yr
standard post-Seattle indie rock band.

Who was it that said yesterday that they are always really influenced by who
they tour with, and that Mudhoney had caused them to get sloppier and more
rock-like? I really hope that was only a temporary phase!

Any way we can get Sonic Youth to tour with My Bloody Valentine or maybe the
Kronos Quartet? I'd like to hear what effect _that_ would have on their future
music!

--Jens Alfke                        Please do not feed peanuts to my deity.
  jens_alfke@quickmail
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Hoi!

Zo, dus jij had nog wel een handtekening.. Voor mij was er geen een meer :-(
Maar ja.. We hebben nog lekker door A'dam kunnen wandelen, want ons logeeradres
ligt niet helemaal naast het station :-(.. Maar voor de rest alles ok. Was er
nog iets speciaals de 2e avond??

Sla de kippen

Hans

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Subject: SY in Paris?
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Hi,
Do you know if there's a date of SY in Paris ? I didn't heard of.
They were there already last November, in a large place.
Maybe another date in France ?
---
Personnal to Dave Sisson :
I lost your EMail address, sorry.
Don't care about the tape (just want type II)
bye

--- Ronan


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> Do you know if there's a date of SY in Paris ? I didn't heard of.

And, does anyone know of a concert (at a three day festival,
as rumour had it) in Prague this summer?

--
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From: [e-mail] (David Deharbe)
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Subject: SY en France
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1993 06:08:37 -0400
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Sonic Youth joue demain, vendredi 2 juillet, a Belfort, au
festival des Eurockeennes. Si tu veux les voir, n'arrive pas
trop tard (vers 17-18h). Egalement au programme: Faith No
More, Black Crowes, Tomm Fools, Lenny Kravitz et Galliano.
Pour tout renseignement:
tel: [phone]

Je ne suis au courant d'aucune autre date en France,

Ciao,
   David.



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> From [e-mail] Thu Jul  1 12:06:53 1993
> From: [e-mail] (David Deharbe)
> To: Multiple recipients of list <[e-mail]>
> Subject: SY en France
>
> Sonic Youth joue demain, vendredi 2 juillet, a Belfort, au
> festival des Eurockeennes. Si tu veux les voir, n'arrive pas
> trop tard (vers 17-18h). Egalement au programme: Faith No
> More, Black Crowes, Tomm Fools, Lenny Kravitz et Galliano.
> Pour tout renseignement:
> tel: [phone]
>
> Je ne suis au courant d'aucune autre date en France,
>
> Ciao,
>    David.
>
>
>

Woaw, on va pouvoir raconter des choses en francais dans la sonic-list !!!
Simon (je ne sais plus son prenom), qui cherchait des dates francaises
de SY va etre hyper frustre... il est de Rennes et je pense qu'il aura du mal
a etre a Belfort d'ici 24 heures.

Gilles

PS: For those, non-french speakers, who reach this last line, Rennes and Belfort
are in France what Seattle and Pittsburgh could be in the States. Not really
in the same area.